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Quote Esprit Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 18:55
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An interesting and thoughtful response from Esprit, but the analogy is heavily flawed. Dogs are unable to converse with us despite what certain loonies will have you believe about their own canine friends. From what I know many of our most popular breeds are so inbred that they suffer from all kinds of physical and psychological ailments which the breeders don't like
to tell us about. Meanwhile the tail wagging, dog pound mutt is likely to be a much hardier species with much reason to reward you for selecting him/her.

I like the latter approach and it has served me well in over 50 years of dog ownership. Not quite the same with people though where at least we can take them for a test drive for a few weeks or months, kick the tyres and carefully examine whether or not there is any emerging symbiosis in the
relationship - if there aint, you just dump 'em - cant do that with Fido and friends.........

Well yes, the analogy is flawed, yet the point I was making is that if one is looking for a particular breed of dog for a particular purpose, be it family pet, working dog, guard dog etc., we seek out that particular breed and are not usually seduced by a home-seeking stray. And to further confuse the analogy I would suggest that people looking for the ideal partner usually seek out a person that fits their particular needs but with exception to the gullible who appreciate a dog’s very special genius of understanding their conversation.

With regard to the ‘test drive’ option of dumping ‘em, might I point out that this is the precise reason for the dog pound. Smile

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Quote Esprit Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2010 at 19:27
Originally posted by charlote

Hello Esprit

...Easy there! Calma lá I would never say that long distance relationships won't hold a mutual physical interest.What I intended to say is that it isn't uncommon people consciously & deliberately settle for the first person that appears instead of taking the trouble of looking for one that is willing to develop with them a truly satisfying and fulfilling relationship. But even in this kind of long distance relationship some people may be looking for the easiest not a satisfying one. Maybe this is clearer now?


 ...Why change, if people think they found the right person for them  this would be because they like what they found.

  Are we talking about people or dogs!!?!

 Yes we’re discussing people and I’m using perhaps the clumsy analogy of selecting a dog. My response was to your post which mentions ‘inter nations/social classes’ relationships suggesting that they may not be the easiest but may well develop into fulfilment. My point about sex was that this is perhaps the easiest and most deadly of the ‘inter nations/social classes’ contact to satisfy; a contact that deludes some into thinking that they are ‘in love’ and therefore oblivious to other more serious long term considerations that are extremely difficult to ignore and likely to prevent future happiness
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Quote delco Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2010 at 22:55
Squiddie, life is as short as a summer breeze, just go for it, if it turns out wrong, so what?  To miss any opportunity to enjoy life is just another tick in the 'no' box  when we sign out of this life and plug into the next.  Oh and Esprit I think it's time you stopped wasting your time on here and started writing that five hundred page novel we are all waiting for (I've just began re-reading Zadie Smith's'White Teeth' and  I'm sure you can provide us readers with something equally sublime!!!)
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Quote GreatBallsoFire Replybullet Posted: 23 July 2010 at 23:06
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Originally posted by charlote

Hello Esprit

...Easy there! Calma lá I would never say that long distance relationships won't hold a mutual physical interest.What I intended to say is that it isn't uncommon people consciously & deliberately settle for the first person that appears instead of taking the trouble of looking for one that is willing to develop with them a truly satisfying and fulfilling relationship. But even in this kind of long distance relationship some people may be looking for the easiest not a satisfying one. Maybe this is clearer now?


 ...Why change, if people think they found the right person for them  this would be because they like what they found.

  Are we talking about people or dogs!!?!

 Yes we’re discussing people and I’m using perhaps the clumsy analogy of selecting a dog. My response was to your post which mentions ‘inter nations/social classes’ relationships suggesting that they may not be the easiest but may well develop into fulfilment. My point about sex was that this is perhaps the easiest and most deadly of the ‘inter nations/social classes’ contact to satisfy; a contact that deludes some into thinking that they are ‘in love’ and therefore oblivious to other more serious long term considerations that are extremely difficult to ignore and likely to prevent future happiness
Good point. With decades of experience with Brazil, I have never, not once observered a relationship between a non-educated Brazilian woman and a degreed Gringo work. Divorce comes in 12 to 36 months. Child support goes on for decades and there is the forced inheritance in Brazil to consider as well.
 
Of course there was a Roman Emperor who fell for a circus performer contortionist. He had the law changed to so a noble could marry a commoner and she was a good wife. So if she is a contortionist of a reputable circus, and you are a Roman Emperor, it might work.Wink


Edited by GreatBallsoFire - 23 July 2010 at 23:12
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Quote Esprit Replybullet Posted: 24 July 2010 at 04:15

Y’know is surprising how many men, having reached a certain age, find themselves entangled by their own temporary inability to cope with life; a lifetime that when examined and despite success or otherwise, simply disappoints and bewilders especially during an accidental emotional crisis.

Looking back they try to understand what forces brought them to this dull mediocrity and the sudden realisation that whatever ambition was in the driving seat, it was not the intended roadmap leading to their current situation. Marriage, babies, mortgage, work, why? Perhaps it’s a bit like walking into a room and forgetting why you went there; confusing, embarrassing and an apparent waste of time.

Guys like Squiddie exemplify what happens to rationality when, at such a watershed in life, a pretty young thing shows warmth and affection; the accident. The freshness of newfound affection and the swirling exhilaration created by a new and youthful sexual partner unfetters and liberates the soul with all the abandon of a bungee jumper. Anyone who has been ‘in love’ will remember this fleeting feeling. Those candle lit suppers; the light flickering in those adoring eyes. Dunking one’s celery in the salt that was so hilariously poured in her navel and massaging her nipples with a silver mustard spoon. [pick your own little quirks] Try finding any eroticism in that after twenty years of monogamous marriage. In the moment it’s wonderful yet its wonder will ebb and the trick, if there is one, is to see it for what it is; just another wet spot on the sheets and a road without a map.

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Quote GreatBallsoFire Replybullet Posted: 24 July 2010 at 08:10
Originally posted by Esprit

Y’know is surprising how many men, having reached a certain age, find themselves entangled by their own temporary inability to cope with life; a lifetime that when examined and despite success or otherwise, simply disappoints and bewilders especially during an accidental emotional crisis.

Looking back they try to understand what forces brought them to this dull mediocrity and the sudden realisation that whatever ambition was in the driving seat, it was not the intended roadmap leading to their current situation. Marriage, babies, mortgage, work, why? Perhaps it’s a bit like walking into a room and forgetting why you went there; confusing, embarrassing and an apparent waste of time.

Guys like Squiddie exemplify what happens to rationality when, at such a watershed in life, a pretty young thing shows warmth and affection; the accident. The freshness of newfound affection and the swirling exhilaration created by a new and youthful sexual partner unfetters and liberates the soul with all the abandon of a bungee jumper. Anyone who has been ‘in love’ will remember this fleeting feeling. Those candle lit suppers; the light flickering in those adoring eyes. Dunking one’s celery in the salt that was so hilariously poured in her navel and massaging her nipples with a silver mustard spoon. [pick your own little quirks] Try finding any eroticism in that after twenty years of monogamous marriage. In the moment it’s wonderful yet its wonder will ebb and the trick, if there is one, is to see it for what it is; just another wet spot on the sheets and a road without a map.

Wait a minute...the "wet spots" are the "road map."
There is enough material here to submit to Harlequin Publishing for a new novel. Shall all the cotributors share the royalties? Perhaps we should write the next "Harry Potter" instead.  Young Harry finds himself combatting Macumba practitioners in Brazil...


Edited by GreatBallsoFire - 24 July 2010 at 08:28
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Quote ojosazul88 Replybullet Posted: 24 July 2010 at 14:26

Squiddie, theres been much said on this topic, maybe you should read between the lines because many truths you will find, yet the goggles of delusion that infactuation brings takes a stong man to see through, and im not here to judge you. I have seen many seemingly intelligent 45+ aged men reduced to this state of delusion, selfishness, lust, etc in the pusuit of their"one", yes its beautiful isnt it, weve all been there, but in most cases i have observed these "espertas" deceiving, lying, manipulating these once stable guys and reducing them to well, wrecks!Again to judge a nation is wrong but you are talking generally about poorer woman from a vastly different culture where everyday survival is a struggle, this is why these characteristics of deception and searching for a provider exist. One example is of a friend currently working in the middle east, great money, married to his Brasileira and with a kid, shes in Brazil now with the kid, he working damn hard and sending over money....and her way of thanks....screwing other guys behind his back, how do i know?, im dating her sister!!, look Squiddie you write in a very deep and intelligent manner, but being street wise is what will ensure survival in Brazil and lots of intuition!! If not im afraid you will become like many of the guys i have seen as mentioned, but just maybe, as youre in that early mindset.....it wont happen to you...Boa Sorte

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Quote ojosazul88 Replybullet Posted: 24 July 2010 at 18:21
 
Now Squiddie, the below remarks were posted on another topic on this forum but quite relevant  in your case, ok quite generalising but remember , why have you not met such woman in your country ie younger than you in such a quick passionate manner?, or is it a coincidence that so many middle aged guys suddenly discover real love and passion with young woman from Brazil or Thailand etc?
 
"here are the warning questions. If more than a couple of these are answered yes, get out of there, my friend. "

Was she very impressed very quickly?
Does she claim to come a lot during sex?
Does she claim that you have reached her in a way other men haven't?
Is she trying to project an idealised image of your relationship into your mind?
Does she coccoon you in beautiful words of love?
Could she be trying to make your self-image dependent on her?
["you are such a good man" etc, when you do what she wants, and "you are terrible" when you don't]
Does she wear low cut dresses?
Does she seem to go out a lot?
Does she try to separate you from your friends?
Does she talk in her sleep (saying convenient things)?
Are her friends annoying slappers?
Has she been very quick to bring you to her family/her home?
Does she brandish a "secret" diary for you to see (and to tempt you to read)?
Does she talk about impressive ambitions like opening an orphanage?
Is she scrupulously polite to waiters etc?
Does she have a lot of male friends?
Does she seem too good to be true?
Does she have a sad life history, which she has told you about?
[but in the early stages, she would not let you know about financial hardship, she would have to reel you in first. At  first she does not ask for money]
Does she have a low level of education?
[forget half-baked stories about having to drop out of college etc. there is no proof for this]

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Quote Esprit Replybullet Posted: 25 July 2010 at 03:22
Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire

Wait a minute...the "wet spots" are the "road map."
There is enough material here to submit to Harlequin Publishing for a new novel. Shall all the cotributors share the royalties? Perhaps we should write the next "Harry Potter" instead.  Young Harry finds himself combatting Macumba practitioners in Brazil...

Well if our intrepid protagonist ventures into Brazil, the mention of wet spots and road maps would suggest the novel’s title, ‘Harry Pothole and the Secret Witness of Jehovah.’

Synopsis:

The services of a wise and kosher alter kocker, a de-frocked rabbi, known to the local tribes simply as ‘Morris you bend it, you mend it’ are invoked to protect the lovable little mensch, Harry, our hero, the bespectacled boychikel.  In a labyrinthine journey the duo struggle to oppose the dark and disruptive forces of the intoxicating Macumba booty love potion; commonly referred to as ‘stupid juice’ by goy divorce lawyers.

The diminutive mensch, Harry Pothole, is enticed to enter the favela and encounters a gelt hungry tuches lecker called Fabula; a dusky maiden who offers him a consecrated chalice containing the stupid juice, and then with practiced ease, fondles Harry’s appendage, euphemistically referred to as his ‘magic wand’ and it’s all downhill from there. To add authenticity, the magic wand is a tad shorter than previously depicted indicating the mark of the covenant; the outcome of a bris ceremony conducted by Morris using a pencil sharpener.

Chapter 1

The seduction.

[If you want a share of the royalties you need to contribute to the writing]      

 

 

     

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Quote delco Replybullet Posted: 25 July 2010 at 03:38
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Y’know is surprising how many men, having reached a certain age, find themselves entangled by their own temporary inability to cope with life; a lifetime that when examined and despite success or otherwise, simply disappoints and bewilders especially during an accidental emotional crisis. Nay, not at all surprising, we are not devo we are men.  And ultimately all lives disappoint and bewilder.

Looking back they try to understand what forces brought them to this dull mediocrity and the sudden realisation that whatever ambition was in the driving seat, it was not the intended roadmap leading to their current situation. Marriage, babies, mortgage, work, why? Perhaps it’s a bit like walking into a room and forgetting why you went there; confusing, embarrassing and an apparent waste of time.  It is a lack of focus, attention to detail and understanding that leads to marriage, babies, mortgages etc and that is the driving force behind mid aged rebellion, the 'how did I get this when I really wanted so much less and yet so much more' question!

Guys like Squiddie exemplify what happens to rationality when, at such a watershed in life, a pretty young thing shows warmth and affection; the accident. The freshness of newfound affection and the swirling exhilaration created by a new and youthful sexual partner unfetters and liberates the soul with all the abandon of a bungee jumper. Anyone who has been ‘in love’ will remember this fleeting feeling. Those candle lit suppers; the light flickering in those adoring eyes. Dunking one’s celery in the salt that was so hilariously poured in her navel and massaging her nipples with a silver mustard spoon. [pick your own little quirks] Try finding any eroticism in that after twenty years of monogamous marriage. In the moment it’s wonderful yet its wonder will ebb and the trick, if there is one, is to see it for what it is; just another wet spot on the sheets and a road without a map. Are bungee jumpers over compensting? Is monogamous marriage really monotonous marriage by a different name?  And should we all deny ourselves every wonderfulness life might luckily throw at us just so we can in the end curl up shrivelled and drained at deaths calling and hold out our bony hands and claim 'I resisted the temptation to live life and can now die miserably happy that I had such strength of character'.?

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